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Senalaya
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 Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 12:11 Post subject: Clean solution for relocating NWN2 temp and log files |
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It can be as simple as that:
Just create a batch (.cmd) file in your NWNX4 directory:
| Code: | @ECHO OFF
SET TEMP=.
SET TMP=.
nwnx4_controller -interactive |
And start it instead of the controller. The changed settings for TEMP and TMP are only valid during the command prompt session and won't affect the general computer or user settings.
As the result, NWN2 will create the 'CURRENTGAME', 'TEMP' and 'LOGS' directories in a folder 'NWN2' below your NWN2 installation path.
Example:
| Code: | D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\NWN2\CURRENTCAMPAIGN
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\NWN2\CURRENTCAMPAIGN.0
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\NWN2\CURRENTGAME
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\NWN2\CURRENTGAME.0
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\NWN2\LOGS
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\NWN2\LOGS.0
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\NWN2\TEMP
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\NWN2\TEMP.0
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\NWN2\TEMPCLIENT |
Edit: Of course it would be even nicer, if there was a "nwn2temp =" in the nwnx.ini, that if it exists and is set to a path would be applied as 'TEMP' and 'TMP' to the environment for starting nwn2server.exe.  |
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Papillon
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| Posted: Mon Nov 20, 2006 23:02 Post subject: |
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That would also solve the problem of running multiple instances under the same user. Since you will probably have multiple NWNX installations in this case, but only one NWN2 installation.
Good find!
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Gryphyn
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 0:14 Post subject: Re: Clean solution for relocating NWN2 temp and log files |
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| Senalaya wrote: | | Of course it would be even nicer, if there was a "nwn2temp =" in the nwnx.ini, that if it exists and is set to a path would be applied as 'TEMP' and 'TMP' to the environment for starting nwn2server.exe. |
Yes, and the same for the LOG path. "nwn2log ="
But lets step it up to the next level (do it early and it's painless)
Could each entry in the [Alias] group from NWN.INI (or is it NWNPLAYER.INI)
be re-assignable in NWNX4?
--This would allow for sharing common resources (eg ServerVault, Override) or splitting resources (eg LiveModule, TestModule)
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Senalaya
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 11:41 Post subject: |
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@Gryphyn:
You can't set a seperate path for the logs, they are hardcoded to be at "%TEMP%\NWN2\LOGS(.n)".
As for the [Alias] group in the nwn.ini, why not just edit it there?
@Papillon:
The "." is relative to the NWN2 installation directory, not the NWNX one. So, if you want to have just one NWN2 installation and multiple NWNX instances, it should rather look like this:
Directories:
| Code: | D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx4-1\
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx4-2\ |
With the batch (.cmd) file in "nwnx4-1": | Code: | @ECHO OFF
SET TEMP=.\nwnx4-1
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and in "nwnx4-2": | Code: | @ECHO OFF
SET TEMP=.\nwnx4-2
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Resulting in the following directory structure:
| Code: | D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-1\NWN2\CURRENTCAMPAIGN
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-1\NWN2\CURRENTCAMPAIGN.0
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-1\NWN2\CURRENTGAME
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-1\NWN2\CURRENTGAME.0
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-1\NWN2\LOGS
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-1\NWN2\LOGS.0
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-1\NWN2\TEMP
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-1\NWN2\TEMP.0
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-1\NWN2\TEMPCLIENT
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-2\NWN2\CURRENTCAMPAIGN
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-2\NWN2\CURRENTCAMPAIGN.0
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-2\NWN2\CURRENTGAME
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-2\NWN2\CURRENTGAME.0
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-2\NWN2\LOGS
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-2\NWN2\LOGS.0
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-2\NWN2\TEMP
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-2\NWN2\TEMP.0
D:\Neverwinter Nights 2\nwnx-2\NWN2\TEMPCLIENT |
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Urlord
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 13:39 Post subject: |
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I am not getting any NWN2 Logs. Not sure what my problem is.
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Senalaya
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 14:40 Post subject: |
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| Urlord wrote: | | I am not getting any NWN2 Logs. Not sure what my problem is. |
Per default, the logs are below the TEMP folder for your current user, which should be "C:\Documents and Settings\[your username]\Local Settings\temp\". There should be a folder "NWN2" with the substructure described above. |
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Grinning Fool
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 20:56 Post subject: |
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Hm - following the steps outlined here, (set TEMP, etc) I'm still getting the logs in the old temp directory. This makes me wonder if it's not using the current/owning process to locate that directory.
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Gryphyn
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| Posted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 23:41 Post subject: |
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| Senalaya wrote: | @Gryphyn:
You can't set a seperate path for the logs, they are hardcoded to be at "%TEMP%\NWN2\LOGS(.n)".
As for the [Alias] group in the nwn.ini, why not just edit it there?
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Not true...
The [Alias] group in NWN.INI determine the locations of ALL game resources.
The two elements that are missing from the set are <ROOT> (or where NWN2 is installed) and <USER> (the MyDocuments location)
Each element in the [Alias] set, is a relative path to where the game resources are located. for example DATA=.\DATA means that you can find your DATA in the folder <ROOT>\DATA or <USER>\DATA
What the [Alias] group allows you to do is HARDCODE your path if you want to eg. DATA=c:\where\I\want\my\data. This then becomes the location where the game will look for its DATA.
What I am suggesting is that each instance of NWNX4 should have it's own set of these [Alias] parameters (even if most of them will always be the same) This way Server1 can put LOG files in a seperate folder to Server2 by having a different LOGS= entry. (by the way, LOGS=.\LOGS is the same as <ROOT>\LOGS not %TEMP%\NWN2)
Now on this point, I believe the original NWNX2 used this relative path as a base to locate it's logs. I'm not sure how NWNX4 does it (no source yet). But I am suggesting that a mechanism already exists for this functionality. It is just a matter of utilizing it.
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aside
Only one copy of NWN.INI matters. I merged the <ROOT> & <USER> versions and now have a single file in my <USER> folder (I deleted the <ROOT> version). This actually solves some issues when you update your 'Options' screen. Having the two files confuses the game when saving the options, I was seeing options reset each time I start the game. This action solved that particular problem. (NWNPLAYER.INI got the same treatment)
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further
Because this configuration data can be set exclusively in the <USER> context, one option that does open up (but is a admin nightmare) is that you could have different USERS each running a seperate NWNX4 server. Each USER would have their own <USER> folder, and thus their own configuration data. Neat, but as I said an admin nightmare. You NEED to be on top of database security, connection & transaction management.
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Papillon
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 23:12 Post subject: |
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Are you suggesting that NWNX4 should modify the contents of the [Alias] section ?
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Gryphyn
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| Posted: Wed Nov 22, 2006 23:45 Post subject: |
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| Papillon wrote: | | Are you suggesting that NWNX4 should modify the contents of the [Alias] section ? |
No. I'm suggesting that it have it's own override (or mirror) for each of these elements. This would give the freedom that, if desired, NWNX4 could work off shared drives (even on a remote machine). Just opens up possibilities... (for a minimal initial effort) helpful in a Multi-mod/Multi-machine configuration.
Each NWN4 instance will have it's own copy. I'd imagine in most set-ups these would all be identical to the NWN.INI ones, however for the larger scale worlds being able to manage these, simply, would be a great asset.
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Papillon
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 14:50 Post subject: |
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| Gryphyn wrote: | | No. I'm suggesting that it have it's own override (or mirror) for each of these elements. |
I can not see the connection between NWNX and NWN in this case. If NWNX had a copy of those values, how would NWN be affected by them if it would not modify the contents of the [Alias] section ?
Am I missing something obvious here ?
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Gryphyn
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| Posted: Thu Nov 23, 2006 23:41 Post subject: |
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| Papillon wrote: | | Gryphyn wrote: | | No. I'm suggesting that it have it's own override (or mirror) for each of these elements. |
I can not see the connection between NWNX and NWN in this case. If NWNX had a copy of those values, how would NWN be affected by them if it would not modify the contents of the [Alias] section ?
Am I missing something obvious here ? |
That's the whole point. The game (or in this case 'server instance') will run using the supplied NWN.INI. But we are running the server instance within a shell (NWNXn). This provides a machanism where the resources on NWN2 and NWNX don't HAVE to be in the same location.
For example:
I'm running a PW and I want to use 2DA's for my own treasure tables.
NWN.INI
[Alias]
DATA=.\DATA
NWNX4.INI
[Alias]
DATA=\\MYHOST\NWNX4\DATA
What do I gain?
Well, for starters...when I upgrade my NWN2... I don't care if the games 2DA's have changed - they are kept seperately to my 2DA's. (especially now that 2DA's a rapped up in ZIP files)
And because NWN.INI points to the games resources I can ALSO access them.
I work in a team, another member is ready to DEMO an upgrade. I simply change my NWNX4.INI DATA=\\HOSTIP\NWNX4\DATA. Now my NWNX4 is using a remote machine, No HAK's, no copying files.
But the main reason (as what started this thread) is the LOGS location.
In particular when running several instances of NWNX4 - Which log belongs to which instance? LOGS=.\PW1\LOGS
My point of discussion is that this would be better handled in the NWNX4 host application, rather than in each plugin that would use it. You already deal with the .INI format, it should be easy enough to create two KeyValuePair lists. NWN2_AliasList, and one for NWNX4_AliasList. Easy access for any plugin development.
Scope-creep I know...
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Grinning Fool
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 7:30 Post subject: |
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Unless I'm misunderstanding, the values under Alias in NWN.INI are not controlled or overrideable by anything in NWNX.INI, nor would it be [easily] possible to make it so.
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Gryphyn
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 8:45 Post subject: |
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| Grinning Fool wrote: | | Unless I'm misunderstanding, the values under Alias in NWN.INI are not controlled or overrideable by anything in NWNX.INI, nor would it be [easily] possible to make it so. |
No, the game continues to use NWN.INI (no change there)
However when you make a call from in-game (ie in a script) NWNX knows nothing of the game settings. If given this bit of intelligence opportunities are opened that don't currently exist...
A little like the LETO plugin knowing where the BIC files are...
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Papillon
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| Posted: Fri Nov 24, 2006 18:02 Post subject: |
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Ok, now I understand what you mean.
This is a functionality that would be perfect in a new plugin! It would have a simple ini file with those values, and just return them upon request.
It should be very easy to write something like this.
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